Mar 27, 2026 · 1h 13m
In this episode, Tyler sits down with Fred Apgar, a Vietnam-era Air Force veteran and author of Return to the War on Plaine des Jarres. Fred served with the 7th Airborne Command and Control Squadron (7 ACCS), coordinating the clandestine air war over Laos. Fred discusses the complexities of the "Secret War," the painful homecoming many veterans faced, and his transformative 2014 return to Southeast Asia. From meeting survivors of the very bombings he coordinated to an emotional encounter with a former North Vietnamese officer, Fred’s story is a powerful testament to the healing found in forgiveness and shared humanity. Featured Books: Return to the War on Plaine des Jarres by Fred Apgar Leadership Lessons from the Field by Fred Apgar Disclaimer: "The views expressed are those of the author(s) and do not reflect the official policy or position of the Department of War or the U.S. Government."